Curse

Kai Nui · Dec 11, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

How about being able to buy Faction Storage Containers for your account. Price of these and what they do is listed below, and this is not on a character, it's for your whole account:

10k Faction to buy 15k Faction Storage
15k Faction to buy 20k Faction Storage
20k Faction to buy 25k Faction Storage
25k Faction to buy 30k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
30k Faction to buy 35k Faction Storage
35k Faction to buy 40k Faction Storage
40k Faction to buy 45k Faction Storage
45k Faction to buy 50k Faction Storage and /Faction emote

These emotes would represent you do Competition arenas a lot and are able to get up enough faction to get the larger storage bins. In addition to this, there would be the ability to buy green items/15k armors/black and silver dye/dye mixer for PVP characters only for more than 10k. Now you may think this is hard, but it's really not any harder than gaining Fame for HoH ranks. Plus, you don't have to have your faction capped higher than 10k.

Navaros · Dec 11, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

FIRST OFF

they ruled out your precious one weekend beta UAS which some of you think existed forever and is due you forever

faction was a generous gift to the PVP community for a fast targeted way to unlock without having to PVE.

when you have unlocked everything it has served its purpose and faction is now meaningless for any other purpose.

they will not give you UAS/X in chapter 2 and they will not give you a faction vault backdoor to get around it.

also you will not get vanity PVE stuff either

Well, in that case the initial "purpose" of faction is not good enough and needs to be changed.

Using faction to unlock all skills of Chapter 2 is in no way comparable to a UAS button because a UAS button is not earned. Whereas using your own faction - that you earned - to unlock all skills is perfectly moral and fine. To send all faction you get after 10k into a trash can that need not exist - as the game now does - is absurd.

All faction is earned as legitimate currency for PVP success therefore it should not have any cap at all.

By the way it seems that some of you are concerned about being terribly thrashed in PVP by people who have unlocked all skills in Chapter 2 with their faction. Well guess what - if those people are so dedicated to PVP that they have all that faction saved up, then they are gonna thrash those of you who are complaining anyhow, regardless of using Chapter 2 skills or not. Which makes your argument all the more silly.

Hakira · Dec 11, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

@ hiryu: handing out pve rewards like ectos for faction would destroy both pve's economy and pvp, it's already bad enough as it is with smurf guilds and faction farming runners in CA. besides, i'd say 90% of people that do real pvp (gvg, hoh) use pvp characters anyways, which have no use for pve rewards.

@ kai nui: i like the first part of your post -

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10k Faction to buy 15k Faction Storage
15k Faction to buy 20k Faction Storage
20k Faction to buy 25k Faction Storage
25k Faction to buy 30k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
30k Faction to buy 35k Faction Storage
35k Faction to buy 40k Faction Storage
40k Faction to buy 45k Faction Storage
45k Faction to buy 50k Faction Storage and /Faction emote

that's a good idea. but again, buying pve rewards with faction just doesn't fly in my view.

and for those of you against raising/removing the cap, saying that "oh then you can just unlock everything in C2 on day 1 gg" is invalid and irrelevant. chances are that the priests of balthazar are located somwhere in the middle of the game...and what about people who already have vast amounts of gold saved up for C2? they too will already have a possibly unfair advantage, nevermind faction.

Slade xTekno · Dec 11, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Hiryu

I agree. Instead, why don't they implement a conversion system?

Where you can exchange your PvP Faction points for crafting materials, dyes, Ectoplasms and such niceties? Granted, they'll probably have to raise the faction cap for this.

Maybe something like:
15,000 faction - 1 Glob of Ectoplasm
5,000 faction - 1 Obsidian Shard
250 faction - 10 Bolts of Cloth

And so on. It'll also help to connect PvE and PvP together.

Now before you guys "OMG! Then people will just Faction Farm!! WTF?!". Well, like I said, it'll help connect PvE and PvP together. PvE's already full of farmers. Now you can farm in either, in whatever style you prefer.

"OMG!! Then skilled PvP guilds will have a monopoly on Ectos and Shards!!"
Meh, hardcore PvE (farming) guilds have more wealth than others too. But other PvE players can get gold as well. Same idea.

Um, I think you're posting in the wrong thread. Yes, we're talking about faction, but not about that.

Loviatar · Dec 11, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Navaros

All faction is earned as legitimate currency for PVP success therefore it should not have any cap at all.

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you have now bought everything available to you in the game at this point.

play for the fun of it or admit that you are not playing pvp because you enjoy it .

they will not give you a golden unlock of chapter 2 goodies (unlimited faction vault) for doing what you will do for the fun of it.

not fun?

reached your grinding goal?

than quit you beat it

YellowMarker161 · Dec 11, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Oh yah, we can't have all the PvP'ers getting all the skills when Chapter 2 comes out can we? Oh no, of course not. I mean, who cares if they deserve it and worked for it, it should all go down the drain.

Oh, but PvE'rs, they definately deserve to have as many skill points as they want!!! I mean, they grinded and grinded and grinded, and they deserve to be able to unlock all the skills when Chapter 2 comes out.

/sarcasm

To people saying that it will be an unfair advantage: do you realise there is no cap on skill points?

fiery · Dec 11, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

/not signed

dont try to get all the skills and go and be uber crazy from the quests all the way at the end of the game. no fun at all.

Guardian of the Light · Dec 11, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I'd laugh so hard if for Chapter 2 you had to reset your faction to 0

Navaros · Dec 11, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

you have now bought everything available to you in the game at this point.

play for the fun of it or admit that you are not playing pvp because you enjoy it .

they will not give you a golden unlock of chapter 2 goodies (unlimited faction vault) for doing what you will do for the fun of it.

not fun?

reached your grinding goal?

than quit you beat it

You know what, you're right in one regard.

Playing a game when there is no rewards for it is not enjoyable. This is why there are quest rewards and things like that all throughout the game. Because if there were not, then players would get bored at doing things for no reward.

Some suggest there should be no reward for playing PVP too much? What the heck?! Good players who have put in countless hours into PVP should stop being rewarded because they've already had too much success? Does that make any rational sense at all?

No my friend, that logic is all out of whack.

Those who put in the blood, sweat and tears to PVP and earn hundreds of thousands of faction points should be the most rewarded in all of Guild Wars. It's bad enough that sigils are already practically worthless as are most other Halls drops. To make faction worthless too and provide no other reward in addition to it is to give a metaphorical slap in the face to the most faithful and dedicated players.

And again, there is no request for a "golden" unlock. We are not asking for a magical UAS button. We are asking only to be able to make use of our hard-won faction that we earned.

Red Sonya · Dec 11, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by mortalis doleo

if the faction cap was removed, then everyone would sve up faction, then get all skills the day chapter 2 is released.

that's unfair...

/not signed

I agree and sign your /NOT signed.

That's exactly what would happen the minute chapter 2 was released. Nosireee bob tater, everyone should have about the same advantage as the next on day 1 of chapter 2. I've been capped at 10k faction for a long time and I'm not "whinning" about it.

[I'd laugh so hard if for Chapter 2 you had to reset your faction to 0 ]

I'd even agree with that also, like to see everyone start out on an even keel when chapter 2 comes out, might even be neat to have a 2nd currency so you can't buy anything in chapter 2 without this currency. heh heh heh.

Chev of Hardass · Dec 11, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I have been capped out for months. It is a real load of crap that faction has absolutely no use after unlock, and you cannot save it.

I call the bullshit flagg on this one. Give us a higher limit, or let us spend faction. I like the 15K faction per Ecto myself. Perhaps the limit should be removed, and faction should be tradeable for PvE items, like Ecto. Then there is another choice for the spender. Either unlock on opening day, or finnaly get that fissure armor.

/signed

glenn_rolfe · Dec 11, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Disagree; I don't want faction from #1 to unlock for #2.

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A higher limit, about 15k-20k would be reasonable.

But in now way should faction from chapter 1 be allowed to be used in chapter 2, that would create a massive rift between veteran players and new players which isn't healthy for the game.

Good players will excel as time goes on, but everyone should start on an equal footing.

Chev of Hardass · Dec 11, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by glenn_rolfe

that would create a massive rift between veteran players and new players which isn't healthy for the game.

Umm, go to ID1 and check out what is going on. Looking for rank 6+, or 9+. Veteran players have made a rift between themselves and the new players.

New players cannot farm unlocks like the veterans could. New players cannot farm fame with Spirit Spamming.

I think the PvE only crowd feels lonely and they wany PvPers to be forced to play with them. Those of you that are doing this should realize that PvPers are the people that leave after capping the skill they wanted at Hell's Precipace. PvPers are the people that beat Markis while the rest of the group goes and tried to do the bonus.

Why would you intentionally try and bring this on yourself?

Loviatar · Dec 11, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Navaros

You know what, you're right in one regard.

Playing a game when there is no rewards for it is not enjoyable. This is why there are quest rewards and things like that all throughout the game. Because if there were not, then players would get bored at doing things for no reward.

Some suggest there should be no reward for playing PVP too much? What the heck?! Good players who have put in countless hours into PVP should stop being rewarded because they've already had too much success? Does that make any rational sense at all?

No my friend, that logic is all out of whack.

Those who put in the blood, sweat and tears to PVP and earn hundreds of thousands of faction points should be the most rewarded in all of Guild Wars. It's bad enough that sigils are already practically worthless as are most other Halls drops. To make faction worthless too and provide no other reward in addition to it is to give a metaphorical slap in the face to the most faithful and dedicated players.

And again, there is no request for a "golden" unlock. We are not asking for a magical UAS button. We are asking only to be able to make use of our hard-won faction that we earned.

quoted as a pitiful whine.

YOU GOT YOUR VALUE OUT OF FACTION BY UNLOCKING EVERYTHING IN A SMALL FRACTION OF THE TIME A PVE PLAYER WOULD TAKE

I HAVE READ ON THIS AND OTHER SITES THAT THE REAL FUN IS HARD FOUGHT GVG ACTION WHICH IS WHY THEY WONT DO PVE.

YOU ARE SAYING PVP IS WORK?

F IT IS WORK WITHOUT FACTION QUIT ALREADY

Lews · Dec 11, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Don't remove the cap, but do make it so our 'total faction' keeps going up.

E Power · Dec 11, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

<<< doesn't care because im going to be buying every skill a few days after c2 comes out

Aenimus · Dec 11, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

let them have their faction cap lifted, then announce that priests of balthazaar dont unlock the new class skills, and you must earn faction for another deity/city/whatever, and go to a priest of that. then i would laugh and laugh and laugh

BLUESHIFT · Dec 11, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

How about, faction can unlock FoW and 15k armor for a pvp char?

Loviatar · Dec 11, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by BLUESHIFT

How about, faction can unlock FoW and 15k armor for a pvp char?

only if they earn the faction in PVE activities

Kate Bloodspirit · Dec 11, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

The faction cap is healthy for the metagame, because it slows down the introduction of new skills into the metagame in PvP.

/unsigned